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Sunday, 12 August 2007

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Good morning and welcome to Abundant Living Ministries CyberChurch. Jesus said in John 10:10, "The thief has come for nothing but to steal, kill, and destroy, but I have come that you might have life in overflowing abundance."

So today let's honor our guest of honor, Jesus. He has come so that we can have life in great abundance. Whatever is in your life that is breathing death into you, Jesus Christ can transform that situation into life, if you will only trust and obey.

Let's all stand to our feet and go to the Lord in prayer.

Lord God, thank you for today and that we can gather together from all around the world to seek your presence and to listen for the voice of your word.

We pray for JPT's friends, the one with a lifetime of physical pain, that you would comfort and heal her; the one who is close to coming to Jesus, that you would continue to draw her by your Holy Spirit; and for the other friend, that you would do a great work in her life, in Jesus' name.

We pray for the dear lady who has asked us to pray that she find faith in God as she searches for truth, that God would guide her to himself; you see her heart, and you know that she is searching for you. Reveal yourself to her, may she know the Truth so that he can set her free.

We pray for Isabel, who says she's having surgury soon and who asks that God would calm her and help her keep her eyes on Jesus. We ask for comfort, for a sweet, real presence of your Holy Spirit with her, and through this time may she draw closer to you than she has ever been before.

Lord, I pray for each one here and each one listening or reading later. I ask that you reveal Jesus to each and every one, that you remove any blinders from their eyes, ears, minds, and hearts, and that they would run into your arms and truly find life.

And it's in Jesus' name we pray.

Amen.


Click-touch the pulpit or watch the overhead, as we worship God with song.


TREES OF THE FIELD

You shall go out with joy
And be let forth with peace
And the mountains and the hills
Will break forth before you
There'll be shouts of joy
And all the trees of the fields
Will clap, will clap their hands

And all the trees of the fields
will clap their hands
The trees of the fields will clap their hands
The trees of the fields will clap their hands
While you go out with joy


RIVER OF LIFE

I've got a river of life flowing out of me!
Makes the lame to walk, and the blind to see.
Opens prison doors, sets the captives free!
I've got a river of life flowing out of me!

Spring up, O well, within my soul!
Spring up, O well, and make me whole!
Spring up, O well, and give to me
That life abundantly.

NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES

Jesus, name above all names
Beautiful Savior, glorious Lord.
Emmanuel, God is with us.
Blessed Redeemer,  Living word.


Let's keep our attention focused on Jesus. Holy Spirit, teach us now, reveal Jesus to us; open our eyes and soften our hearts. We ask you to work miracles in lives today, in Jesus' name.

Amen.


You may be seated.


Today we're going to discuss a topic which I believe we cannot afford to overlook. Scripture tells us about a time of deception in which many will fall away from the faith. I believe we are coming very close to that time, and we can see the conditions for such a time ripening.

We have entered an age of moral relativism and ultra-tollerance for everything besides moral absolutes. It's okay to believe everything, as long as you don't really believe anything. And, being swept into the age of this day, some are being led astray into darkness and spiritual death.

Recently I've heard some claims that many Christians have found disturbing. There's a video that's growing in popularity which, presented in the fashion of a documentary, claims the Christian faith is based upon Egyptian mythology.

I've heard the same claims circulated in various writings and forums as well.

While I'm not going to waste time addressing every single claim, let's take a quick look at just one of them, then decide whether the rest can be believed.

"Jesus is Horus."

Horus was an Egyptian mythological figure. The story states that he was the son of two gods, Isis and Osiris.

The claims that Jesus is a made-up copy of Horus have many components, and I'd like to touch on a few of them. Please keep in mind as I read these, that they are only claims made by others concerning Jesus, and we will explore whether they are true in just a moment.

1. Horus was born of a virgin. Jesus was born of a virgin.

2. Horus' foster father was Seph. Jesus' foster father was Joseph.

3. Horus was of royal descent. Jesus was of royal descent.

4. Horus' birth was followed by three wise men who followed a star bearing gifts. Jesus' birth was followed by three wise men who followed a star bearing gifts.

5. Horus' birth was announced by angels. Jesus' birth was announced by angels.

6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. Herod tried to murder the infant Jesus.

7. Horus was baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptist in a river. Jesus was baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist in a river.

8. Horus resisted temptations by Sut on a high mountain. Jesus resisted temptations by Satan on a high mountain.

9. Horus had twelve followers. Jesus had twelve disciples.

10. Horus performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water.

11. Horus raised Osiris from the dead. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead.

12. Horus was crucified. Jesus was crucified.

13. Horus was crucified with two thieves. Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

12. Horus was buried and resurrected in Anu. Jesus was buried and resurrected in Bethlehem.

13. Horus came back to life after three days. Jesus came back to life after three days.

14. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

14. Horus was called the anointed one. Jesus was called the anointed one.


So what about these claims? Is Jesus just another myth, copied after an ancient Egyptian god? If so, then everything we believe would begin to ring hollow. If these things were true, we may be better off believing nothing but what we can prove in a laboratory.

Since most of us haven't studied original ancient Egyptian mythology, it's quite easy to hear claims presented in a convincing manner and simply believe those claims are true. So let's go back through these quickly and see what Egyptian mythology REALLY says, and then we can determine whether to believe any of the other claims that the life of Jesus is simply a fictional copy of ancient Egyptian mythology.

And please keep in mind that, as we discuss Egyptian mythology, it is just that -- mythology. Although to make the discussion go more smoothly I'm not going to point out that fact throughout these points, simply remember that when we talk about the mythological gods and their acts, we're talking about made up stories.


1. Horus was concieved by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin. Jesus was concieved by the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin.

Actually, Horus was the son of Isis and Osiris who were married. And the Holy Spirit? That figure did not exist in Egyptian mythology and had nothing to do with the story.


2. Horus' foster father was Seph. Jesus' foster father was Joseph.

Horus did not have a foster father, Osiris was his father.


3. Horus was of royal descent. Jesus was of royal descent.

Horus was a god born of gods and was therefore a diety, not royalty.


4. Horus' birth was followed by three wise men who followed a star bearing gifts. Jesus' birth was followed by three wise men who followed a star bearing gifts.

The Delta Cycle, which is the oldest complete texts of the Horus myth, do not agree.


5. Horus' birth was announced by angels. Jesus' birth was announced by angels.

Actually, Isis gave birth to Horus in secret. It was not announced by anyone to anyone.


6. Herut tried to murder the infant Horus. Herod tried to murder the infant Jesus.

From the time he was born, Set and his minions, the snakes, attempted to murder Horus. There was no parallel.


7. Horus was baptized at age 30 by Anup the Baptist in a river. Jesus was baptized at age 30 by John the Baptist in a river.

Egyptians did not have such a tradition. Horus was never baptised.


8. Horus resisted temptations by Sut on a high mountain. Jesus resisted temptations by Satan on a high mountain.

The story actually goes that Horus and Sut were having one of many large battles, and one of them seduces the other. Then Set became preganant by Horus.


9. Horus had twelve followers. Jesus had twelve disciples.

This simply is not true.


10. Horus performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. Jesus performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water.

Horus never healed the sick, and he did not walk on water -- he flew.


11. Horus raised Osiris from the dead. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead.

Actually, Isis was the one who resurrected Osiris. Horus was the one who avenged him.


12. Horus was crucified. Jesus was crucified.

13. Horus was crucified with two thieves. Jesus was crucified with two thieves.

14. Horus was buried and resurrected in Anu. Jesus was buried and resurrected in Bethlehem.

15. Horus came back to life after three days. Jesus came back to life after three days.

16. The resurrection of Horus was announced by three women. The resurrection of Jesus was announced by three women.

Not only was Horus never crucified, Horus never died at all.


17. Horus was called the anointed one. Jesus was called the anointed one.

This simply isn't true.


The truth is that these claims did not exist until the 19th and 20th centuries. These Egyptian mythological similarities to Jesus did not exist until around the 20th century.

And with that being the case, any one of us could list the facts concerning Jesus' life, or any aspect of the Christian faith, and write or rewrite history to mirror those facts.

So was Jesus a copy of Horus, since the similarities were neither written nor conceived until more than a thousand years after his birth?

There are countless other such claims such as one which states that Noah and the flood are a copy of Gilgamesh, which dates around 2300 B.C. while Noah dates around 780 B.C. Of course these dates are completely wrong. In fact, some have placed the great flood around 2300 B.C. as well, if not a few years earlier.

Any two related historical events or mythologies or a combination of history and mythology can be explored and comparisons either found or fabricated. To swallow the resulting nonsense is naive. I hope and pray that no one here will fall to that trick, and if you already have, I pray that today your eyes will be opened to this trick of the enemy.

Why was ancient Egyptian mythology modified in the 19th and 20th centries? Why have similar myths and distortions arisen time and time again? If what we believe is false, and therefore unpolluted history and unaltered fact could substantially discredit what we believe, why would anyone need to fabricate arguments or quote such fabrications?

The fact of the matter is that we believe what we wish to believe, and with a bit of looking, we can disprove whatever we choose.

We can provide compelling arguments that the Holocaust never  took place, despite the countless living and recently deceased survivors, as well as other evidence. And there are people who believe these claims to be true, and therefore believe the Holocaust is a hoax.

The same goes for whether the United States really landed on the moon. Or whether the 9/11 attack on the trade center was a terrorist attack or a government-orchistrated plot.

Instead of getting caught up in the desperate attempts of others to prove, first to themselves and then to others, that Jesus was total fiction, or that history was inflated, or even that he did not rise bodily from the dead, perhaps we can pray for them instead.

If God is not real and if Jesus is not his Son, then asking him to do something is just a waste of time, just like most of the other things we do with our free time.

If, on the other hand, God is truly God and Jesus is who the Bible claims he is, then those who speak against that truth are in a miserable place indeed, and their only glimmer of hope is that the Holy Spirit will break through and reveal Jesus to them, and that they, like Paul who was killing Christians until Jesus appeared to him in glory and power, will fall on their faces and ask, "Lord, who are you? And what do you want me to do?"


All these things are a question of time. How much time has passed -- billions of years, or only thousands? What has happened during the time that has passed? How much longer will time last as we know it?

Time is like the waves that wash across the sand, bringing change.

Time is like the colors that paint the horizon during a million glorious sunsets.

Time is like the blowing of the wind that causes the trees to gracefully dance.

Time is like the babbling brook that caresses the stones as it gently flows by.

Generations come and go. Kingdoms rise and fall. Great lives are lived, soon to be but a memory.

Your tombstone will soon be engraved with the year of your birth and the year of your death, separated by only a dash. Your whole life is nothing more than that dash.

Every tomorrow will be some day’s yesterday, and every today will co-create some day’s tomorrow.

You cannot stop or slow the hands of time. You will live, and you will die. You did not choose your time to be born, and your time to die may come when you least expect.

The only time you have is this very moment. Each moment you live is a gift from God. Each breath you breathe is proof of his love for you and his mercy toward you.

Regardless of your sin and pride, your selfishness and self-centeredness, your complacency and the hardness of your heart, God never ceases to demonstrate his unending love for you.

Just as the present moment joins with eternity, so the love of God is eternal. It never waxes or wanes. It does not depend on what we have done, or how perfect or flawed we may now be.

It was in our time of greatest depravity that God demonstrated his love for us in the most extravagant way.

"But God demonstrates his own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)

When Jesus bore your sins upon the cross, that one moment in time reached out and touched every single moment of time from the creation of the heavens and the earth, to the very last trumpet blast.

Jesus' time of suffering is not some event in the past. It is a moment of eternity. It flows into this present moment, which touches eternity, and is there for you, upon which you can lay your sins and worries and cares.

That blood sacrifice, that sacrifice of love, covers all of time, and it covers all sin. There is nothing you have done that is too bad. There is no sin you’ve committed that is too great. There is no problem or worry that is too small.

Jesus did not pay for some of your sin, or even for most of it. He paid for ALL of your sin, and offers to you his righteousness in exchange.

The choices you make today can cast their light or their shadow upon your tomorrows and the tomorrows of others.

Be careful what you say, for some words can never be taken back, and they speak themselves over and over again.

Be careful what you do, for some actions can never be undone, and they can damage relationships and change futures and destinies.

And be careful what you believe and who you follow, for the gate is small and road is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who follow it.

We seem to forget about tomorrow when we speak or when we make choices. We seem to forget that what we say cannot be unsaid, and what we do often cannot be undone.

In our limited vision and understanding, we cause friendships to die, love to grow cold, and lead others down wrong paths which lead to spiritual death and destruction.

And yet in spite of our human imperfection, and all the damage we do, Jesus lived every single present moment of his life on earth knowing full well the impact his every thought, word, and action would have on your present moment right now.

He knew he would be a stone that makes men stumble, and a rock of offense. He knew he would be hated, rejected, and despised, and that those who pick up their cross and follow him to eternal life would suffer the same.

He knew that his life would divide families, and separate closest friends.

He knew that his death would cause doubt, confusion, and the spread of fables and lies.

He knew that his resurrection would cause amazement, faith, transformation, martyrdom, persecution, and war.

He knew that his ascension would cause a battle of beliefs that would last until the end of time.

We don’t fully know and cannot fully see, by ourselves, what effects our actions and words will have on others and on ourselves. Only God knows. And if we trust in the work he has done for us, and rest in the mercy and love he demonstrated so perfectly and completely toward us, he will lead and guide us every step of the way. And he will give you wisdom for your journey called “today.”


One statement I've made in arguments against the validity of Scripture that always gets ignored or a feeble response at best, is "I cannot prove to you in a way that will convince you that Jesus is who the Bible says he is, that he is the only way to the God who created the heavens and the earth, and there is a literal, eternal heaven and hell and only by accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior can you escape the latter and anticipate the former; but if you are really open to the truth and not just trying to hide from the possibility that everything I'm saying is true, then just ask Jesus to reveal himself to you. If he's not real, or if he's dead, you won't have hurt anyone or anything by trying. But if he's alive, and if what he's said is true, then you owe it to yourself to open your eyes, ears, and heart, and give him the chance to prove himself to you."

And this is what I'm asking you here today. If you have any doubts, or if you flat out believe that Jesus was only a good man, or only a prophet, or an angel, or a myth, then I ask you today if you have the courage, the guts, the honesty to open your mind and soul to the possibility that you just might be mistaken.

During a time in my life in which I was lost in new age deception, I believed I had found the truth. And in that state of deception, I prayed to God every day, "Let your wind blow over me, and change me." And I meant it. To me, that change could include actions, attitudes, and beliefs. That change could include anything in my life or any part of who I am.

And he answered. It was not the next day after the first time I asked. It was not the next week or the next month. And if I had been in doubt of the reality of a living, all-powerful Jesus as God of the universe and the ultimate authority, he would have revealed the truth to me just as he led me out of my deception.

If, on the other hand, I had quit after a day or a week or a month or a year and said, "Well, that settles it, he's dead after all," then I would not be here today. And with 20-20 hind sight, I see now that my life would be an absolute disaster.

Finding the truth requires that you accept the fact you don't already posess all truth, and being turned from errors you currently have requires that you accept the fact that you could possibly be mistaken.

So if you have the courage to face the truth, then I challenge you to ask God to reveal it to you. Whether or not you believe in God, whether or not you believe in Jesus, and whether or not you believe he can or will hear or answer you, be intellectually honest enough to admit you are not infallible and could be mistaken, and on the chance that what you may have ridiculed just might be true after all, talk to him right now.

You can use your own words, or repeat after me, but open your mind and your heart to truth, whatever that might be, and engage your heart to mean these words.

Say this: "Jesus, if you are real and if you are alive, reveal yourself to me. I don't want to believe whatever makes the most comfortable, or what eases my fear of the truth; I want to believe what is factual, and I want to know what is true. So if you are alive, if there is a God and you are him, if I am sinful and headed for a miserable eternity without you -- the source of comfort and joy, if I desperately need a savior to save me from my sins, and if you really love me enough to die in my place, then show yourself to me. Let me know you are alive. Let me know you love me. And help me recognize your words when you answer me, however they may come. I'll be watching and waiting for an answer."


And if you're not too afraid, or if the power of your will is greater than fear of the truth, then I challenge you to tell this to Jesus every day. It doesn't have to be some elaborate or religious ritual, just a few words, "If you're real, show me. I'm open to believing whatever is true."

I'd like for the altar workers to come stand at the front now.

And for those of you who are ready to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, then pray this prayer with me. Say, "Jesus, come into my heart. Forgive me for my sins. Wash them away. Make me a brand new creation. Give me a brand new start. Give me true life. And be the Lord of my life. Amen."


If you have drifted away from your relationship with Jesus, then pray this prayer with me. "Lord, I have not been where I should be in you. I ask you to forgive me, and restore me. Renew my first love for you. Pour out the oil of your Holy Spirit into me, and cause me to burn with holy passion for you. Bring me closer to you than I've ever been. And I ask this in Jesus' name. Amen."


This altar is open for prayer and ministry. If you just accepted Jesus, or if you would like someone to pray or minister with you, please instant message someone on the ministry team. Feel free to come out of your seats and come stand or kneel at the front.

When your time of ministry is finished, you're invited to make your way to the room on your left for a time of fellowship.

 



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